Gay Right Issues and Ethiopia

Schulz: Cut aid to African countries with anti-gay laws
On 25 March, Ethiopia became the third African country, after Uganda and Nigeria, to institute long-term imprisonments for Lesbian, Gay, …

Did Ethiopia really pass such law? It is mind boggling why Ethiopia wants to go against the wind of change on this issue? What is to be gained from such law except alienation and continuous pressure by those who have adapt such right to be a human right issue? At the very least the country should have kept the status quo and concentrate on the current pressing issue of defeating poverty! Is gay rights a human right issue? What if gay activist from all of over the world start a campaign to boycott our tourism industry and international conference events? What if the millions of Aids we get for HIV prevention and primary education is blocked by the rich western countries who have adopted such rights as a human right issue? What benefit is there to be had by enforcing such laws? Who will be the morality judge?? Have Your Say!

51 thoughts on “Gay Right Issues and Ethiopia

  1. Dear Aiga ,

    Good point , I personally can’t see the relevancy of passing this law ,It just an attempt to create confrontation , there is no any other meaning than this, There is already an existing criminal code.Why additional law Now ? There is no any other justification , what is the point to have in other law memoranda ,unless we want bitter campaign to come in our doorstep against us by the already defunct HRW and the likes , Do we really in love with confrontations ? we have so many things to do , the society itself won’t allow this to happen let alone passing the law , the parliament should question itself before pondering such unnecessary law that will lead bitter and aggrandized confrontation,I hate and feel low when we are open the door to such confrontation to happen always.

    • Yared,

      The new rulers in DC will be republicans soon. don’t worry about this issue. just like bush, the us regime will continue aid to ethiopia.
      anyway, as a christian ethiopian i don’t like the spread of homo lifestyles in ethiopia but we can not go criminalizing people interests.
      remember that we made mistake of oppressing pentes, now they are 20% of the country. when you oppress something, you actually help it grow…. the best thing to do is let the 0.0001 % ethio fags be who they are and do whatever they want. who cares? the only thing we should do is protect children #1 and make sure that sex tourists from europe don’t abuse the youth #2….thats it. as long as they don’t touch our man-woman marriage institution, we should let the fags free in ethiopia.
      let us not bring unnecessary negative media attention in our country. remember the jews and the fags control western media so it is better to be on their side.

      • No no we should ban gays. This will help us two ways. First the opposition and economic migrants can use their gayness as a way to get asylum. The more they leave to america/europe the better. (Especially since dv will end soon)

        Secondly the more ethiopians we have moving in america/europe, the more dollar/euro flows back into ethiopia in the form of remittance and them helping their family back home. This supports our economy.

        Meanwhile, we score points with the relgious conservative majority and purify our country from homosexuals according to bible/quran

  2. Indeed, unnecessary provocation against powerful lobby organization, where Ethiopia benefits nothing. In case, the news is true.

  3. These so called human rightist are there to destroy the value of human society as a whole! Being a gay or lesbian has no value at all! Being homo is the most useless thing any human can be!
    Thanks to the Ethiopian parliament for protecting our culture,our history & out people in general from the evils of the modern world! Homosexuality is one of the most destructive & disgusting culture of the west!

    God bless Ethiopia!

    • If it is true that Ethiopia has a new law against same sex, it is most unfortunate. People have to be accepted and respected for who they are, as long as they don’t provoke any body else. We who are not homos would not know their situation, we have never been in their shoes therefore we have no right either to blame ore imprison them. This goes to the government as well

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      • Why is anybody’s business when a democratic country makes a law that over90% of its population supports? Do all poor countries have to take into consideration what the self interested west have to say when considering making a law regardless of what it’s population says? Especially when they do not give a dam about anybody except for their selfish interest.Come on people the west will do whatever they do for their own self interest and Ethiopia have a right to make laws that benefits it’s own interest.I am glad we have a government that stands for the interest of its people and it never makes a compromise when it comes to its principle.

  4. The information so far I have is the issue of giving pardon. I have heard on ETV that there has been made amendments on giving pardon which excludes some crimes like corruption, rape, gay, … However there is nothing new law issued regarding gay unless it is what it was and is there for years. Let say Ethiopia, like any other responsible countries, have issued law against the gay people, though there is nothing new as it is there in our law for years, what is wrong? We cannot sacrifices as big as such thing for cheap money. Eventually, the money for development is for the people and development without the people is nothing. Any development after killing the people is better not to come at all.

    በአንድ ወቅት ጠ/ሚ/ር መለስ ዜናዊ ከዳቦና ዴሞክራሲ ምረጥ ቢባሉ የቱን ይመርጣሉ ተብሎ ሲጠየቁ እንዲህ ብሎ ነበር፡-
    “ምርጫዮ እንደሁኔታውና ጊዜው ይለያያል፡፡ የዲሞክራሲ እጦቱ ከባርነት የማይተናነስ ከሆነ ዳቦ አገኘህም አጣህም መኖር ትርጉም የለሽ ይሆናል፡፡ ባርያ ሁነህ ከመኖር ሞት ይሻላል፡፡ … በግፍ ቀንበር ተሰቃይተህና ተማረህ፣ ባርያ ሆነህ ከመኖር ታግለህ ብታሸንፍ፤ ባታሸንፍ ደግሞ በሰላም ትገላገላለህ፡፡ስለዚህ የሚያንገሸግሽ ግፍና መከራ ውስጥ ከሆነ ያለሀው ዳቦ ቢኖርም፣ ባይኖርም ትርጉም የለውም፡፡
    ሆኖም ግፉ ብዙም የማያንገሸግሽ ከሆነና ዳቦ አጥቼ ተርቤ የምሞት ከሆነ ዳቦን እመርጣለሁኝ፡፡ በቀን ሶስቴ መብላት ከጀመርኩ ግን ያቺን ትንሽ ግፍም ቢሆን ማስወገድ እፈልጋለሁ፡፡ ስለዚህ ረሃብ ማለት ሞት ከሆነና ከባርነት የተሻለ ኢ-ዲሞክራሲያዊ ሁኔታ ካለ እሱን መታገስ እችላለሁ፡፡ ነገር ግን ሁኔታው ከባርነት የማይተናነስ ከሆነ የፈለገው ቢመጣ ዳቦ ትርጉም የለውም፡፡”

    ታድያ ግብረ-ሰዶም ከባርነት ይተናነሳል እንዴ? በፍፁም! ስለዚህ ኢትየጵያ አዲስ ግብረ ሰዶም የተመለከተ ህግ ባታወጣም ባይኖራት ኑሮ እና አሁን ብታወጣም ሊገርመን አይገባውም፡፡ ምክንያቱም መሆን ያለበት በመሆኑ! ልማት ለህዝብ ነው ህዝብ ከሌለ ልማት ትርጉም የለውም፡፡ ስለዚህ ለቁራሽ ዳቦ ተብሎ መሆን ያለበት ነገር ሳይሆን መቅረት የለበትም ከፈለጉ ቁራሽ ዳባቸው ይዞ ገደል ይግቡና እኛ ከነዚህ ሊመጣ የሚችለው ልማት ይቅርብን፡፡ ዓለም እኮ አሁን ብዙ አማራጭ አላት እንደ ድሮ በአሜሪካ የተንጠለጠለች አይደለችም፡፡ አመሪካኖችም ቢሆኑ በብዛት የነዚህ ፀረ-ተፈጥሮ የማይደግፉ ናቸው፡፡ ስለዚህ ከመስመራችን አንውጣ!!

    • ገይ ራይት የሚባለው፣ነገር በለመዱት ኣገር፣ካለሆነ በኢትዮጵያችን ፍፁም ኣይሰራም።ለብዙ ዘመናት ይዘነው የመጣን ጥሩ ባህል ኣለን። ባህላችን መጠበቅ ኣለብን።

  5. It’s a slippery slope. Once we give in to many of these ‘human rights’ lobbyist groups, who most of them don’t have anything to do human rights, they will keep demand more. Destroying our familial and social fabric shouldn’t be the first concession that they would get from us. This particular law, however has very little to do with homosexuals. It mostly is about those who are in custody for terrorism, corruption, human trafficking not be able to abuse a ‘pardon’ system. It is about limiting those kinds of offenses from being pardoned, should one is convicted of them. Just ‘same sex relations’ is thrown in there to deter I believe those who are getting it dumped on particularly selected African countries that are believed to have influence on the rest of the continent, as Ethiopia does to showcase to others. If we are able to fight the lobbyists from Survival International and International rivers, we can also wither these once and assert our independence further. Had we just stick with the status quo, sooner or later, the homosexual lobbyists would come anyway to pressure us to do what they want us to do. That would be even more be a recipe for ruining a relationship between our socially conservative population and the government, should the government pressurized and change the status quo in favor of “the blowing wind of change”. The discord that will be created between the people and the government will open the door wide open to the color revolutionaries to demand and exert some other changes. Hence, it’s better to adjust the status quo and take some hit from the lobbyists now with enormous support from the people and defend other important policies that the lobbyists will pile on later on. Besides, other African nation and non western countries view kindly these sort of laws, unless they are too draconian. And Ethiopia’s is not that draconian at all…..

  6. It is one of those things in which he government of Ethiopia and some ignorant citizens call for attention for no good reason, Regardless of your moral compass whether you accept gay /lesbian relationships or not why does Ethiopia has to raise its hand to be counted (like Uganda…) when it could have kept its moth shut and avoid the whip of those who claim to be ‘morality police of the world’. I hope the government will wise up before it is too late.

    • Wucha bekededew jib yigebagal Allu Abo…… Please
      Where there is a counter attack why you say I am here when you are not called. But it is hard to ignore it as well .
      We know how difficult this world is becoming because of human rights which sometimes backlash against Humanity! But the Big lobbies of the west whom some of them are themselves Guys and lesbians ,no wonder this issue is a priority to them than an Aid to the poor? Paradox!! To me where I live , they are colors to the society that they don’t make any problem. They don’t provoke and most of them are very peaceful ! I don’t have any problem with them personally.
      Is that the case to the same group who are in the developing countries ? Where more than 80% of the population lives in the traditionally and culturally strong villages. I don’t know. But…
      What about to the Anti- gay laws in Arizona ? USA …first world? Is this the conundrums of modernity what the Africans are expected to display ? where in parts of USA is becoming still a controversy to most Americans against their religious beliefs?
      No !!! be reasonable and at the same time Education is the only way that empowered the people even to compromise their religious beliefs to gay marriages legislations.

  7. I am surprised to hear you being an activist for Luti or fagets who are there to destroy humanity , by the way do you know that Laws enacted based on the social political values of each society so our society does not accept Homos and it is the responsibility of the government to protect the values of its people however hodam people like you cared only for one and one thing only ie doing their best to help a racist regime to stay in power so that they enjoy all kinds of privilledges
    You are simply one disgusting person I have ever seen
    You have lived in the west for many years and still think like a Tigray peasant actually TIGRIAN peasants have by far better understanding about Human Right and conscience
    I feel sorry for you sometimes as you don’t know you are mortal and live on this earth for a short period, I see you over doing things as if you live in this earth preaching hate and helping dictators to do more harm
    I hope you will return to your consience and help to bring sustainable change in our country that benefits all Ethiopians equally

  8. Its unfortunate move by the Ethiopian government, Ethiopia and Ethiopians have real problems that we have to solve , I don’t think the issue of human sexuality is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed by the government. I hope the government understands how damaging it is for the image of the country to be seen outlawing human nature.

  9. Dear Aiga Forum;
    Our country is going through fundamental economic, political , and social changes. Sexual orientation and choice should be left to the individual. The new law clearly violates the constitution of our country. The Ethiopian government is indirectly involving in religious matters.

  10. Dear aigaforum !!! Is it really an agenda that affects .00001percent of the population. Our priority of priority should fighting , Famine , Hunger , & starvation .we should focus like the laser beam on the no: Enemy which is Poverty , Poverty, Poverty! !!
    As of the Law half of the our Constitution is Universal declaration of Human rights we should stick to the status quo .No Distruction, No Distraction !!!

  11. Human rightist, some NGOs, river watches , Amnesty…. Are our modern colonialists to control the whole world! They are there to put down any power that might challenge them! Remember how many empires came & gone! The power is on their hands, therefore, human right, gay right … Are the tools! Homosexuality is one of their tools to destroy the power of manhood! They are an example of our world civilization , & hence people will do whatever they do! Their calculations are the most dangerous for the human society! These who are promoting evil must be told to stop their spreading their evil agenda on our people!
    Homosexuality destroys the tradition & culture of a people, with out tradition & culture, there is no identity, no identity means , living as an animal ! Even an animal is much better than homosexuals, because , an animal knows who is male & who female!

    May God protect Ethiopia from the evils of the so called human rights…!

  12. I think most of the Ethiopian community including religious leaders like Orthodox, Islam and I believe all others were unitedly demonstrating against homo since they understand it is against the value of Ethiopian culture. The Parliament of Ethiopia elected by the people of Ethiopia has the responsibility to reflect that. They are elected by the Ethiopian people and need to serve the people not any other country. That is democracy in simple terms. I do see the concerns that there will be a pressure from the West but for sure, the West only cares if they have only economical interest. Why don’t you see the Arabs like Saudi, they don’t even allow for women to drive a car but still President Obama shows his support. Lets stop living in fear and pleasing other countries but the Ethiopian people.

  13. Once the executive went on twitter, it opened itself up to outright hacking of account to constant badgering to “pardon” ones that are in prison. They might have initiated this added law to stop the badgering. Why is the executive on twitter anyways?
    I would perhaps understand MPs since they have to interface with the voter but the executive has one boss and that is the PM. I think the executive needs to limit its social networks to LinkedIn only.

  14. Dear Aiga, it is very essential to conduct cultural revolution to pick and choose what is best and discard what destroys our social fabric and good culture which we maintained for thousands of years. We can’t be a dumping yard or junk yard of unacceptable Western culture in order to get aid for our development. It is undemocratic to put strings attached to their aid money in the pretext of accepting gay issues. We Ethiopians must be proud Ethiopians in every aspect. We have been criticized simply because we exercised our sovereign right. Why they don’t cut AID to some of their states who did not endorse this outlier gay issue? Why they focus on Africa? Please let us maintain our relation with all countries with mutual bilateral respect to each other regardless of our differences in religion or culture.I support strong law against gay which destroys our children in hotels, private places without their consent. We heard a lot about it recently. Let us fight against this evil because it is a threat to our humanity, dignity, morality, freedom, integrity, family value and safety. Please let us unite together against this evil along with countries like, Uganda, Russia,Nigeria, etc. We should not have to be afraid to confront the evil. We should punish the perpetrators and those who are funded to promote it. They will bring destruction upon us like Sodom and Gomorrah if they are left unchecked.

  15. Forget the gay lesbian right; Ethiopia should first respect fundamental human rights. When u talk gay right issues, you are touching less than 1% of the Ethiopian population. But, TPLF has bulldozed the rights of 100% of Ethiopians. Ps talk about this right. I am against homosexuality, but that does not mean I have to punish them for what they do behind closed doors as long as it is consensual. But, I am 100% against gay marriage for marriage an institution established by God for him and her.

  16. Just because we r fighting poverty it doesnt mean we have to lose our value….Ethiopia needs to be protected, am acutaly surprised that you are advocating gay right! They can keep thier money if they dont want to suppprt us because of the anti gay law, it is thier money after all. But they can and will not detect us with their money!!!

    • We don’t have to recognize and legalize any immoral acts such as homosexuality, marriage between man and man, man and animal, etc., which is against nature. There is no such human right because rights are God given. Yes, we need to respect God given rights to all our citizens. But we have to be united against homosexuality sponsored by USA against our values. USA must stop meddling in our internal sovereignty in how to deal with this evil against God and humanity.

  17. From GETACHEW REDA (Editor Ethiopian Semay)
    Please do not cut or edit anything from my comment. If you do that- just do not post it. Will you?
    Aiga wants Ethiopian behavior be tempered by Westerners and Arab behaviors for Aid exchange, just like his master Meles Zenawi argued to the TPLF splinter group, “if we do not do not move out from Badime the donors will refuse to give us wheat”. What a shame!

    These are elements who can sell their soul or their country for wheat or any grain from donors.
    That is exactly why Ethiopia is now land of poisonous and fake Pharmaceutical products made in China (Counterfeit drugs) means of transit route to Nigeria. The land is now owned by lease for 99 years by Chines, India, Arabs………. TPLF and its cadres are players of the agenda of subversion against Ethiopia’s dignity in exchange for grain.
    Even Social Security card aimed by the NOW (new World Order) engineers to Ethiopia was praised by Aiga cadres. What a brain! I will come up with a commentary by itself on other websites in regard to this issue. Stay tune.
    Thanks Getcahew Reda (Ethiopian Semay Editor)

    • ጌታቸው ረዳ፦ ካብ ሰማይ ወይ ካብ ቃላይ እንተበልካ ካብ ፅልኢ ዝሓለፈ ምንም ነገር የብልካን!
      ኩሉ ሻብ ነቲ ንሓዳሽ ኢትዮጵያ ዝፈጠረ ንመለስ ናይፅልኢ ማዓት ተውርደሉ ኮይኑ ግን መለስ ብመሪሕነቱ ንደርጊ ድምፅማፁ ኣጥፊኡ፣ንሻዕብያ ውን ሰባቢሩ ብማዓኮሩ ኮፍ ኣቢሉ፣ንግብፂ ውን ብዲፕሎማሲ ስዒሩ ከም ኩሉ ከይዱ’ሎ! ዋላኳ ስግኡ እንተኸደ መንፈሱ ግን ይሰርሕ ከምዘሎን ገና ክሰርሕ ከምዝኾነን ትርኢ ኣለኻ! ስለዝኾነ ናትካ ፅልኢ ናዓኻ ከንድደካ እንተዘይኮይኑ ካሊእ ፋይዳ የብሉን ምኽንያቱ ፅልኢ ምንም ክሰርሕ ስለዘይኽእል! Take it easy!

  18. Does this mean we gonna see Shabiya cadres dressing up in made in Egypt PINK TIGHTS to provoke our security forces ? :):):)

    ON THE SERIOUS SIDE OF THIS
    The latest scrambles over gay rights in Africa is not actually about gay people and their right, infact it more about Africa becoming the last battle ground for the Conservatives and the liberals of the West.

    Pastor Scott Lively, the most prominent and influential Christian conservative leader of the USA, recently has been very busy lobbying in East African states’ parliament to promote Anti Gay policies. He actually helped Mousevini draft the anti gay laws.
    The liberals (Scott lively’s opponents) on the other hand are seen attacking African leaders in order to counter attack AND curve the conservatives potential influence on Africa…using their outdated weapons such as HRW n other useless organization who claim to stand up for rights…

    If you diagnose the situation carefully, Africa in general is the victim here not the gays in Africa. We are at odd if we don’t accept gays and we are at odd if we accept them…dam if do and dam if you don’t 🙂

  19. In my opinion this whole idea of same sex issue goes under morality or spirituality. I don’t think it has any impact or is a factor on the development of a country and people. We haven’t seen people and countries getting underdeveloped by this issue. However third world countries can be impacted just for the sake of upholding their morality and spirituality. I just read an article that EU nations like Norway, the Netherlands and Denmark are to cancel their aid to Uganda and Nigeria. Well, if we still stick to the old thinking of “Akaki Zeraf”, our progress can be impacted. Don’t get me wrong. I am a moral person and I believe that homosexuality is against natures will. But at the same time, I don’t want to impose my belief to impact millions of people in Ethiopia, who are struggling to live and transform their lives. Someone quoted, I guess Haben Asgedom, the great leaders opinion “Meles Zenawi” on a different issue. But the way the person relates Meles’s opinion to his/her standing on the same sex issue is so unrelated. It is like comparing apples with oranges.

  20. I would like to add few more thoughts to what I said earlier. How significant is the same sex problem, ” If we call the same sex issue as a problem to a country”, in the Ethiopian context? Is it something spreading fast and deadly like the Ebola virus that we should really be concerned? Do we have to sacrifice the bread for many poor Ethiopians just for the sake of handling a bunch of people with the same sex mentality? Are we afraid that the same sex mentality is a communicable or contagious mentality? In my opinion I think it is all foolish to sacrifice a huge aid from the western countries just for such trivial issue!

  21. I strongly support the actions of the Ethiopian governent, and of the other governments in Africa, regarding the gay and lesbian issue. What the western governments are doing is the worst crime against human race. With the current way of encouraging and glorifying homosectuality, it won’t take too long (20 – 30 years) before these ppl (gays & Ls) become the majority. It may sound stupid today, but time will tell. Citizens of the USA were condemned and called traitors and unpatriotic for opposing the Vietnam war, only to be heros and celebrated years later. Also, when Doctors were advertising cigarettes (50 – 60 years back), had some one tried to talk about second hand smoking, he/she would have been considered a mental case. Any way, thanks for our couragous leaders, Ethiopia is on the right side of history. All the western leaders worry about is the votes they get at the election time.

  22. A stupid move by the government, if you ask me. What in the world is the point in tightening an already existing cruel criminal code for a victimless crime? One thing is certain, the late Meles Zenawi PM would never allow this to happen. Just focus on building the developemental state for Gods sake!!!!

  23. Dear all,

    Please let’s not confuse the issue here:
    1. Nobody is denying that majority of Ethiopians do not accept gay life style (for some it is the worst that one could be);
    2. any religion in Ethiopia that I know does not approve such an act and the majority of Ethiopians are religious people of one denomination or another;
    3. needless to say no cultural norm in Ethiopia entertains (at least openly); and
    4. since we are also members of this so called human race there must some that want to engage in that activity;

    Therefore let’s not waste time arguing on this issues. What is an issue now is, should Ethiopia say, do or raise the issue when it has more burning issues to address and the global (particularly the west) attention on such issues is merciless and distracting other more survival issues like tackling poverty;
    If Ethiopia has to declare its stance it is neither the time nor the place to get involved in this debate – not now, ‘it will cross the bridge when it gets there’…

    With regard, to the idiots who try to make everything an ethnic / political issue. I think we should ignore them because they cannot stop barking on any issue raised (serious or not).

  24. Hello Aiga,
    From the perspective of Ethiopian context, Gayism or lesbianism is not relevant. I never knew about this when I was in Ethiopia, never even heard in my life when I lived there. This means this thing is alien to Ethiopian and is irrelevant and un-necessary. The people in Ethiopia have a right to live their way of life. However, in the civilized world, this is normal, not even a big deal at all. But it is a big deal in Africa, specially in Ethiopia where people are deeply immersed in religious sermons. I am pro family myself, I advocate nuclear family where there is husband, wife, and children. Many people are becoming Lesbian, Gay, … a trend, … the white race is declining in birth-rate because people are becoming gay, lesbian, no reproduction, no children,…but Arabs are reproducing like cockroaches or like bacteria and taking over the entire world. I think Europe and North America should promote nuclear family instead of lesbianism and Gay life style which is making the white race a minority . In short, this is alien to Ethiopian way of life,and the way of life must be respected. I do not see the merit of importing this thing to people who are not used to such thing. This is not government business, it is the business of the people. It is the people who must decide what life style they want. Government must stop imposing things on the society.

  25. Antigay laws?
    Is Mr. Schulz normal? He is what?
    I would rather say the anti gay laws should be strong enough for it contributes nothing to the development of society, spiritually and materially. Such practices, if they exist, are signs of stupidity. These couldn’t be indications for far consciousness. These are rather manifestations of mental disturbances. Those who couldn’t think properly may practice and develop such behavior. People can live with or without making sex, and sex is NOT practised for the sake of committing sex. If it were so people could make sex just simply with animals. However, since it is with purpose it is very selective. So what is the relation between anti gay laws and developmental aid? By any means gays and lesbians could not be associated with human rights. You are rather violating the human rights concept for this does not have a positive value.
    Haile Beyene Tesfai
    Mekele, Tigrai-Ethiopia

  26. Dear moderator,
    I cannot conceal my disappointment for you posting such a ridiculous issue particularly at this important time while we have so many macro issues at hand like GRD and its implications to the region, Egypt South Sudan military pact, Eritrea’s involvement in both South Sudan and Somalia, etc.

    Homosexuality is against nature, against the continuation of human society. How can it be a human right? Ironically, these so-called homosexuals flock to Ethiopia to adopt children and then…..
    Look the Western decadence!

  27. Kudos for the Ethiopian government. This kind of garbage should stop now!!! No one should sell their own being for aid. By the way Ethiopia did not achieve the present miraculous growth because of aid. It did so by the brilliant leadership of PM Melee Zenawi and its people. This kind of vile practice has grown in the Western world because they did nothing.It is shocking to read there is even a single Ethiopian who would rather turn a blind eye. Educate and pray for those who are in the wrong.

  28. Sir, get aid based on needs and truth, do not cheat or pretend so that u can get aid? that is bad mindset. aid must not be attached to sexuality or anything peripheral. People in Europe, North America were not helping Ethiopians by demanding them to adopt homosexuality, and the whole Europe and North America is not homosexual o lesbian, aid must not be tied to sexuality or race or religion or …. aid if it is aid it must be humanitarian. Let us accept it and we can get aid? that is bullshit to the worst. Be real, honest, and transparent. If you do not like homosexuality, give reasons, merit, demerit, based on pure reasons, without any intention to hurt any human. Let us keep quiet or accept it so that we can get aid is bullshit, low level thinking and childish. We must do the right things based natural law, and also open our mind, apply reasons. I do not believe still in punishment, I believe in education still. I believe people will have much better quality life if they do things naturally. Well, people will argue homosexuality is natural? Anyone can give reasons, I just see the nature around me without even insisting on the bible, see nature, even the insects mate female and male, even the flowers like trees mate female and male, even the fishes mate male and female. I feel that our sexual preferences can be conditioned to be who we wanted to be. A book written by one American writers says, human brain is like a plot of land. He says if you have a plot of land, it can grow whatever you sow on it. If you sow good things, you will grow good things. If you sow bad things , it will grow bad things. He developed this philosophy after his lost fortune, his family, and his wealth and all the enjoyment of life … however, he discovered happiness after all the loss of his life. I do not like discriminating any human based on any ground, and do not believe in punishment or criminalizing people. But I apply my mind and try to reasons out. Why God created cow, ox? opposite sex? why God created female and male? can an ox become pregnant and give birth to a calf? why male trees do not mate each other? I argued one day with my gay friend, I asked him why the animals do not do it? he got pissed off and asked me how can you compare me with animal? My intention was not to say he is animal, but he misunderstood me. For some reasons Muslims and gays do not even like reasons except forcing themselves on others. Anyway, laws, policies must never be drawn based on foreign aid or foreign influence. Why Ethiopians do not import Technology from Europe, North America instead of importing this peripheral human behavior. I do not think the Ethiopian have time to think about this because they live in stone age , at the bottom of human living standard. I do not understand why is this now a national issue in Ethiopia? Does this mean Ethiopia has now changed from what I know? AIGA, the people in Ethiopia have no time for this because they do not even have bread to eat fill their belly. However, I still stick with educating people instead of creating gay prisoners which sounds even bizzare to have such prisoners or criminals. Awareness, openness, talking about things rationally, honestly, by looking at its merit to society is a good thing instead of following human lust and desire. Human lust and desire is like an ocean. Our desire or lust for money or for all kind lust has no end unless we stop and think about them and put a border line. I do not believe this world is created randomly out of the blue as cosmologists and Stephen Hawking theorize it we are created by big band. I do believe we are designed meticulously with plus and minus, opposites, the entire universe is made of plus and minus, positive and negative, male and female, everything that breathe reproduces and sexual interact female with male. This is my pure reasoning, you do not have to agree with me.

    • Nice comment Gezae, I have disliked many of your political comments previously. But this time you are the best. It is good to see that many diaspora Ethiopians have kept their cultural and religious values.

      What happened to you, Mr Aiga forum? I have long suspected you that you have lost some of your habesha values. I don’t remember you posting holiday messages on your website. Never, I remember. Here is another serious issue to suspect you. If you are against strong decisions such as this, I think you should change you should consider revising the objective of your web site into………

  29. Unless you have an identity problem, you don’t have a point to support such an evil act. No gay in Africa. We strongly condemn the act and those who support the process. There are many issues that the advocate can do, help central Africa, S. Sudan, etc stop the war, engage in development. We Africans have our own value. We know what is good and bad. Stop forcing us to eliminate our root. May God bless Ethiopia and Africa.

  30. It seems the whole world is becoming Gay. The gay community has learned a page from the history of Jewish community in how to be influential and play a critical political role in major powers by controlling the economy they are able to control the politicians. The gays are even reached at the pinnacle of the us government as senators and law makers that can twist the hands of international donor agencies into refusing giving aids and loans to those countries which are openly against gays.
    Nevertheless, Ethiopia has to stand firm and show the rest of the world that it will not kneel down and will not trade it’s pure culture for potential loans or financial aid. We have to stand for who we are as a society and as very ancient, principled and god-fearing people with a moral value. We have to make sure that the swelling and emboldened gay community can’t get what it wants from Ethiopians as they did in America or else where.

    • Dear Haile
      Questions to you

      What do you want to do if there are gays and lesbians in the city you live, in the school you go to, in the company you work for, in the bus you ride, in the airplane you fly, in the bar entertain, in the movie theater you are in, in the place you shop, in the voting center to elect representatives, at the fund raising place for the GERD, etc.? Do you want to teach the young generation tolerance or violence, perception or rejection?

  31. All,

    It is amazing how many people are trying to use God for their argument here. How many of you really believe the law of the land should be based on your “God” instructions? Which God said to you any of his/her creatures must be killed prisoned and unloved? I know Christina god said love thy neighbor and do not kill …

    Anyways coming back to the point I want to make- Ethiopia does not need to involve itself to the gay issue for many reasons. 1) It is not smart politics to go against the issue 2) it does not help to discriminate gays when we all know there are worst habits and life styles the people tolerate 3) Ethiopians have lived for years with out a problem, the gay life style was effectively checked by the community with out any law enforcement… I can add more..

    Now the law was passed a while back, it may be hard to repeal but it is possible to minimize the international pressure if the law enforcement can stop criminalizing it. Just look the other way so far the life style is not affecting the children. If it does then use not gay law but other criminal law to protect innocent children. Otherwise going to the bed room to check how you make love is stupid and uncivilized. Besides who is really prioritizing Ethiopians woe’s? Who is dragging the country to spent its energy on such issues? I hope it is not the hired mercenaries’ that are trying all means necessary. If you know what I mean. need to check this!

    Aigaforum you really are a typical Ethiopia- Aybeger, Qetelebet wondime!!!!!!!!

  32. I am against AID, even without anything string attached. I think we have to be brave and reject AID in general. Emergency aid when there is a disaster is okay. But aid the one in Ethiopia is not good for the country. The people have to develop their Equb, Edir system and reject aid. It is not good to be beggars. A beggar is always a beggar. We must free ourselves from this type of modern slavery. People using aid to get their way using aid. Do not give me aid if you are going to forcing me to adopt your way. We better get technological help than this type of aid attached to sexuality, religion, race,… The moslims wanted to build mosques everywhere without caring about any culture or tradition, .. by violating traditional laws, if we want to be free and live the way we want, we better reject it. I am strongly against aid. One the aid is used by foreign agents, by dictators, and does not foster independence, but make people dependent and beggars. Anyway, I am against aid even without even free aid without string attached, leave alone attached to something.

  33. Mr Gezaee,

    You may not like many things, all in you power to do so, but do not impose your dislike on a people and country. Ethiopia will gracefully accept any help that it can use to eradicate poverty! Tell me if you are happily working for some one and not out of necessity? Infact those of you living in the Americas/West must be hypocrites to play the we are pure and with pure culture when living next to door to a Gay couple or Lesbian couple. And pass everyday by a Gay bar and give ride to a Gay person with you taxis…how come you are not flying away and live in a pure culture unless you are a hypocrite and “asmesay” gezaee, you want to punish the poor child health so you have a “pure culture”.

    I am not saying we should promote Gay life style, what I am saying is why play in to the distractors hand when it can do away with them by ignoring and not paying attention to their cause now. I do not see too much pressure from gay Ethiopians at all for Ethiopia to become an actor in this.

    Now do not play the God card again pls! I saw a comment from a known character in opposition circle in diaspora who lives I think in San Francisco complain and I say to myself what a moron and hypocrite! of all people a person that migrated from the City of Tsion Axum to San Francisco to live happily should not be a critic of Gay people. He Lives among them in thousands….eko!!!!

    /Dag

    • Sir, I never talked about purity bla bla. I never said any of the things you are saying. I do not understand why are you telling me things I never said. I am against aid. AID does not help to develop. If that was the case, Ethiopia must have been the most prosperous nation because Ethiopia is a beggar nation, almost even the leaders pay their cadres using aid money. AID is keeping the country in poverty because people like u do not want to work but to beg using the mass. Please refrain from vomiting dirty.what I have written is there everyone to read. Stop lying and making up false statements. If you have problem with diaspora , then talk to them I am not diaspora representative. Okay, I did not impose myselff. it is your imposing yourself on the Ethiopia people. Leba, you landlocked 94 million people by force, and you have been selling for modern slavery of sex to middle east. Even now Addis is sex tourist ghetto city. There is nothing there except investor building something. For you begging is development? landlocking is development? Prostitution is development? I do not share your beliefs Sir. It is my right. I am not EPRDF who believe in begging. It is my right. If you do not like comment, either skip it or keep quiet, but do not write things I never wrote. I never wrote anything about purity and bla bla. Go and teach your beggar theory to your buddies. Actually there is too much abuse in Ethiopia because of AID because government become powerful by collecting aid and spending the money paying to their cadres. That is why there is no real election. Everyone is parasite on the people.

  34. This has nothing to do against ‘defeating povery’? Guys, only animals do have a sole objective of eating x or y times a day; and forgeting every value woven into ones society.

    And, please, if there is a need to pass this law; then as a reporter, do a research on what triggered it? Remember, the west are puting pressure on country’s stand regarding this issue as a precondition for aid; hence, the urgency to *choose* and announce. As simple as that!

  35. From GETACHEW REDA (Editor Ethiopian Semay)
    One United Nation official that deals with world Bank development described the pernicious effects corruption can have in developing countries. he said:-
    “Every dollar that a corrupt official or a corrupt business person puts in their pocket is a dollar stolen from a pregnant woman who needs health care; or from a girl or a boy who deserves an education; or from communities that need water, roads, and schools. Every dollar is critical if we are to reach our goals to end extreme poverty by 2030 and to boost shared prosperity.”

    So, Woyane puppets need to know is that your leaders are so corrupt, so sticking, thieves to the extent the country is engulfed with corrupt officials up to her neck.
    ….
    …..edited…aigaforum is not for wild allegations!
    ….
    Tell us where is the Aid going? To the corrupt TPLF thieves. Tell us what some NGO are doing in the name of Aid? Spreading Gay life and raping children in the Orphanage. Here are now TPLF cadres telling us Gays in exchange for wheat so more corruption will continue by TPLF thugs and corrupt officials. I mean their Internal Revenue minister is highest corrupt official and arrested. Who elese………Many ………..many. Now Aiga wants to to introduce Gay rights for Wheat aid exchange? What else are we going to hear next?
    Thanks
    Getachew Reda

    ——————————

    Getachew, Aiga is not introducing Gay Rights any where…Aigaforum opened this as a forum for you to share your opinions and views. Now, Knowing you, of all people, you should have understood what human right entails. Never mind about your wild accusation about us and the EPRDF government in Ethiopia, seriously, don’t you get tired bro? Be responsible and see if your style of activism has netted you anything over the years…life is short. Ente Nnehina emo weye ke finkich bi zimesakayo kinewet ena! Ask your friends!!!!!!!

  36. This issue was highlighted when the 16 International Conference on AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases should be held in Addis Ababa in December 2011.
    Several religious leaders and high-ranking officials were discussing whether to ban a group of gay activists to gather at the conference. Organization United for Ethiopia , which consisted of a number of conservative religious leaders demanded after constitutional amendment and the prohibition of homosexuality
    Ethiopian media , not to mention Paltalk chat sites online , condemned in strong terms about gays .
    This issue seems the only point the Government and the Opposition agree upon.
    I was reflecting on the deeds of a compatriot in Norway who has no problem to obey and respect his Norwegian MSM boss and smiles in convinction of respecting individual rights to win his favor, but is usually heard proclaiming stonning of MSM and Lesbians,
    He was also falsely accusing the Ethiopian government for leniency.
    I will see if he will appreciate the Government for doing so.
    In the most notorius prison in Africa “Alem Bekagn” were the AU Builiding stands
    when a suspected gay is reported before the uniformed police is finished With attaching the Words “Gibre Sedom” on his back and forces him to make a cell tour The inmates no only slapp him on the face and smash him on the nose but also stone him and leave him leaching his wounds tied the Whole day. No political prisoner was participating in the torture. They had other important issues to focus. ..Why not now ? The government could atleast keep the status quo and just focus on other Challenges.

  37. From GETACHEW REDA (Editor Ethiopian Semay)

    To Mr.Dagnachew:

    Brother Gezaee was right all the way. Your argument is ludicrous. You said ‘some of us are opposing gays behavior in the name of God. We are not opposing Gays in the name of God. God himself is opposing them. You and your like are also telling are also telling us “who is to judge the gays in Ethiopia’. God is the one to judge them. And we are afraid we might burn with them, But to their behavior. Homosexual is not like the other behavior. It can burn the entire country to ashes. You can be a communist. But me since I am the son of Zion in Axum, I see this behavior very acceptable.

    Tomorrow, they can change their God given penis and replaced it wit vagina and you or others might enjoy it thinking you are doing to a woman. You see! this can happen in the land of God Ethiopia. It is a crime to do such to inherent men thinking they are sleeping with a big fat ass or skinny little us woman. You know what I mean?

    Those who wants grain for exchange for gay-ism- they need to exchange them where ever they want to trade them, not in Ethiopia. The God of Ethiopia can be mean and brutal if such will let loose in Ethiopia for the sake of getting grain and wheat from Homosexual advocate donors. We are witnessing that now in Addis Abeba growing. When God is mean, he can takeout leaders of the country too. Got it!? You Communists do it somewhere else.
    Yes in the name of God was what the bile told us.

    Genesis 19:24
    Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah–from the LORD out of the heavens.

    Genesis 19:25
    Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities–and also the vegetation in the land.

    Numbers 16:38
    the censers of the men who sinned at the cost of their lives. Hammer the censers into sheets to overlay the altar, for they were presented before the LORD and have become holy. Let them be a sign to the Israelites.”

    Isaiah 1:9
    Unless the LORD Almighty had left us some survivors, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah.

    Jeremiah 50:40
    As I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah along with their neighboring towns,” declares the LORD, “so no one will live there; no people will dwell in it.

    Matthew 10:15
    Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

    Matthew 11:23
    And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.

    Romans 9:29
    It is just as Isaiah said previously: “Unless the Lord Almighty had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah.”

    Hebrews 4:11
    Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

    Jude 1:7
    In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    Jude 1:15
    to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
    Treasury of Scripture
    And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample to those that after should live ungodly;
    turning.
    Genesis 19:24,25,28 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah brimstone and fire …
    Deuteronomy 29:23 And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, …
    Isaiah 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, …
    Jeremiah 50:40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbor cities thereof, …
    Ezekiel 16:49-56 Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom, pride, fullness …
    Hosea 11:8 How shall I give you up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver you, Israel? …
    Amos 4:11 I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, …

  38. Aiga – you are caught with your double standard! In your introduction you wrote “..why would Ethiopia want to go against the window of change in this issue”, but you know the window of change also points to freedom of speech, democratic governance and majority rule… and you have been consistently supporting the government on its actions against these issues. If you understood the “issue” you brought for discussion it represents only one perhaps a minor element of these more fundamental international values. So, if you concern is for Ethiopia and the broad masses of the country your focus should be calling on the government to align itself to these broad principles.

  39. Yonas,
    In our view we have been advocating for a positive change constructively ever since we opened this website! The problem is many of our diaspora extermist do not like us since we have been telling the other side of the story. We understand these folks will never throw the towel until they get rid of us thus why they have been misinforming you about us.
    Incase you are mistaken about our opposition to the extermist as anti democracy, we differ. Defeating the extermist will help democracy and the building of responsible opposition in Ethiopia. Joins us instead Yonas!

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